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    Re: Hey Tony D
    by: --hidden-- (The PUMA)
    May 26 8:20pm
    Vetoes only come out when a legit case can be made pinning collusion against one or both parties.

    Or - and I think MDS said this last season, Behrens did for sure - it'd be foolish not to vote to veto every single deal. You're managing your own team; you shouldn't have control over others'.

    Trading is a two-person dance. Frankly, what others think is completely irrelevant. If two managers thoroughly dissect a deal and come to the conclusion that that trade is in the best interest for their team, outsiders, of course, can have an opinion but the option to veto it? C'mon, bud.

    I've played fantasy for 10 years. I tend to lead my leagues in trades made. Only once have I had a deal vetoed (it was vetoed twice) and, surprisingly (or not), it was in a public league. I would have received Kobe for Kaman and AK47. This was years ago. No one had a grasp of how the objective of trading was to fill needs (positional/statistical). I was pulling like a 4 in points and 2 in steals, 11s in boards and blocks. I had to spoon feed them the concept of team needs. It was tragically pitiful.

    Consider:
    - Projected to exceed the 1250 limit by 120 innings. If you're pacing yourself, you're looking at roughly 8 innings per day. Meaning Tony D would have to relegate every pitcher on his roster to the bench for 15 consecutive days just to breakeven. So clearly pitching was expendable on his end.
    - Regardless of whether or not he kept Lincecum and Garcia, it's likely he'll fill the pitching cats with 10s across the board. Currently, he doesn't pull greater than a 4 in any offensive category.
    - Teixeira and Fielder will heat up and a returning Rollins will help but beyond that, where will the offensive production come from? Ethier is a top 10 bat and Posada is top 5 at his position and a clear upgrade over Razor Ramon(e) Hernandez (that worked out well!)

    The argument for a veto would go something along the lines of: It's just really, really lopsided. /ends case

    But yeah, I realize I'm uber convincing. I've been told that four times already this week. And it's only Wednesday!

    I'm not trying to start anything. My beef is with vetoes and I will speak up against them always, regardless of whether or not I'm involved in the deal in question. They just complicate things.

    For example, how would you go about deciding the fate of the V-Mart deal had it been pending and it was revealed that Martinez would be out two weeks? (This is not to jinx it.It's hypothetical.) At least in the Ethier/Lincecum deal there was an understanding that injured players would exchange hands but those terms aren't agreed upon if a freak injury occurs and Martinez is out for two months (Again. Sorry, Razz boys. Unintentional). Would you veto? If was processed, would you overturn it?

    Rant complete


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     10/49:30 am219 Re: Last day, make it count--hidden-- (KFFL) 
     10/37:22 pm218 Re: Last day, make it count--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     10/36:29 pm217 Re: Last day, make it count--hidden-- (The Mighty Mollusks) 
     10/35:47 pm216 Re: Wow the bottom four in this league suck...--hidden-- (So Far Spheres) 
     10/312:15 pm215 Re: Last day, make it count--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     10/39:50 am214 Last day, make it count--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     9/172:14 pm213 Re: Wow the bottom four in this league suck...--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     9/1710:06 am212 Re: Wow the bottom four in this league suck...--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     9/179:28 am211 Wow the bottom four in this league suck...--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     8/221:06 pm210 one week for trading--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     8/1111:24 am209 TRADE DEADLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pitching available.--hidden-- (The PUA) 
     8/119:34 am208 Re: consider this a warning mollusks--hidden-- (The Mighty Mollusks) 
     8/102:39 pm207 Looking to trade for a 1B--hidden-- (FB365) 
     8/85:32 pm206 closers for sale--hidden-- (Razzball) 
     8/311:29 am205 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (KFFL) 
     8/25:25 pm204 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (FB365) 
     8/29:34 am203 consider this a warning mollusks--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     8/15:50 pm202 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (The Baby Grandersons) 
     7/309:38 pm201 Re: Wilson Ramos???--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     7/306:59 pm200 Re: Wilson Ramos???--hidden-- (B-Chad) 
     7/305:39 pm199 Wilson Ramos???--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     7/304:30 am198 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     7/297:38 pm197 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (The Mighty Mollusks) 
     7/296:21 pm196 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (B-Chad) 
     7/291:59 pm195 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (Sarris/RotoGraphs) 
     7/2912:30 pm194 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (The PUA) 
     7/2910:59 am193 Re: Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     7/2910:31 am192 Congrats to Paul Bourdett (PUA)--hidden-- (The Sherpas) 
     7/136:56 am191 Starting Pitching Available--hidden-- (The PUA) 
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     7/97:28 am189 Re:the king has left the building--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     7/95:10 am188 "King" Arthur Rhodes--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     6/2612:55 pm187 Challenge--hidden-- (FP911.com) 
     6/229:55 am186 yeah that's right Sherpa--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     6/229:21 am185 Re: Ripley's Believe It and Hate on It--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     6/228:23 am184 Ubaldo on the block--hidden-- (FB365) 
     6/214:56 pm183 Re: Ripley's Believe It and Hate on It--hidden-- (The Mighty Mollusks) 
     6/219:43 am182 Ripley's Believe It and Hate on It--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     6/1110:01 pm181 Re: whack-a-mole--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     6/1111:49 am180 I think it's kind of whack--hidden-- (The PUA) 
     5/319:27 pm179 Re: Lincecum versus Ubaldo match-up to kick off the week--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/319:16 pm178 Re: Lincecum versus Ubaldo match-up to kick off the week--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
     5/318:20 pm177 Re: Lincecum versus Ubaldo match-up to kick off the week--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/316:17 pm176 Re: Lincecum versus Ubaldo match-up to kick off the week--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
     5/316:12 pm175 Re: Lincecum versus Ubaldo match-up to kick off the week--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
     5/313:20 pm174 Re: Lincecum versus Ubaldo match-up to kick off the week--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/312:35 pm173 Re: Lincecum versus Ubaldo match-up to kick off the week--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
     5/306:50 pm172 Lincecum versus Ubaldo match-up to kick off the week--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
     5/296:54 pm171 Re: Hey MDS--hidden-- (So Far Spheres) 
     5/287:50 am170 fun exercise--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/287:45 am169 how dare you Mighty Mollusks--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/287:44 am168 Re: Hey MDS--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/286:12 am167 Hey MDS--hidden-- (The PUA) 
     5/276:13 pm166 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     5/271:59 pm165 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (The Baby Grandersons) 
     5/2712:48 pm164 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/2712:25 pm163 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     5/2711:48 am162 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/2711:05 am161 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
     5/276:15 am160 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (The Baby Grandersons) 
     5/275:04 am159 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     5/273:58 am158 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (The Mighty Mollusks) 
     5/269:00 pm157 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/268:49 pm156 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     5/268:21 pm155 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/268:20 pm154 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
     5/267:54 pm153 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (The PUA) 
     5/267:09 pm152 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (The Mighty Mollusks) 
     5/263:02 pm151 I have embargo'd a-mak15--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/262:56 pm150 He sold it really well.--hidden-- (The Baby Grandersons) 
     5/268:49 am149 Re: Hey Tony D--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/267:28 am147 Hey Tony D--hidden-- (The PUA) 
     5/256:42 pm146 Re: did I win Beef the Series?--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/259:05 am145 Re: did I win Beef the Series?--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     5/258:54 am144 Re: did I win Beef the Series?--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/258:50 am143 Re: did I win Beef the Series?--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     5/258:14 am142 did I win Beef the Series?--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/257:22 am141 Re: Great minds think alike...--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     5/257:19 am140 Re: Great minds think alike...--hidden-- (Sarris/RotoGraphs) 
     5/246:18 pm139 Grey/Rudy - sorry about the V-Mart injury--hidden-- (The PUA) 
     5/241:19 pm138 Re: Great minds think alike...--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/2412:53 pm137 Great minds think alike...--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
     5/2412:19 pm136 anyone need a 1B/3B/CI?--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/2311:27 am135 yes! WAR David Eckstein!--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/229:28 am134 Re: Fred Savage Lewis--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/229:03 am133 Re: Fred Savage Lewis--hidden-- (JoseCanseco=Honor) 
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     5/206:20 pm129 Re: Jason Frasor?--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
     5/203:39 pm128 Re: Jason Frasor?--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
     5/203:35 pm127 that is an interesting trade--hidden-- (Million $$$ Sleeper) 
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     5/118:30 pm124 Re: Ha--hidden-- (The PUMA) 
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     5/117:58 am121 Re: Ha--hidden-- (The Baby Grandersons) 
     5/117:11 am120 Ha--hidden-- (The PUA)