Bluebird Red Panda League Message Board
Feb 14 9:14 am
Feb 14 9:25 am
accrued in a given week. however, it is currently set at 7 innings
which is too low. I suggest moving it up a little. Perhaps around 25 innings
Feb 14 9:26 am
Feb 14 10:14 am
Regardless of what the minimum number of innings is, with two negative quantity pitching categories (ER, BB) and only one positive pitching category (K), the optimal strategy for most weeks will be to get to the minimum innings count and then bench all your pitchers for the rest of the week.
Considering that and the fact there are eight hitting categories and only four pitching categories, starting pitchers actually have negative value with the categories we have right now.
Very good closers have great value. If you run our league configuration through Baseball Monster, the ranking say that Craig Kimbrel would have been the most valuable player in the league last year (followed by Fernando Rodney).
On another note, I'm intrigued by triples as a category, but using it would give players who actually get triples extreme value. Mike Trout would still have been the second-most valuable player last year, but Jose Reyes would have beaten him. (Reyes was the #32 hitter in Y! standard leagues last year.) Angel Pagan (#52) would have been #3.
Feb 14 12:16 pm
Feb 14 1:23 pm
Feb 14 7:48 pm
Feb 14 8:08 pm
Feb 15 4:02 am
Feb 15 8:17 pm
We now have 3 positive categories for starting pitchers--IP, QS, and K--but still 3 negative ones--ER, BB, and hits. These will tend to cancel each other out. Starters are more important now, but still very undervalued compared to hitters and relievers.
Running the configuration through Baseball Monster, here are some examples:
#13 Kris Medlen (pitched half a season)
#28 Clayton Kershaw
#34 RA Dickey
#54 Justin Verlander
#64 Matt Cain
#67 Jered Weaver
#96 David Price
#3 Craig Kimbrel
#4 Fernando Rodney
#6 Aroldis Chapman
#18 Sergio Romo
#20 Jason Motte
#23 Kenley Jansen
#38 Joel Peralta (led majors in holds)
In general the problem with negative categories is that they cancel out positive ones and make people want to bench their players. On the hitting side, if we have both steals and caught-stealing, they'll cancel, and most of the steals guys won't have much value.
Feb 15 8:54 pm
Feb 15 9:17 pm
1B, 2B, 3B, HR, BB, SB
IP, QS, K, WHIP, ERA, NSVH
Since we have both IP and QS, the workhorse SPs would be very valuable: 5 of the top 6. The triples guys also have a lot of value.
If I strayed a bit farther, what I'd probably do is swap in OPS for 3B (3B are pretty rare, so they're maybe not a great H2H category), and go with NSV and HLD instead of IP and NSVH. Under those 12, the top 10 for 2012 were Cabrera, Braun, Kershaw, Trout, Dickey, Verlander, Rodney, Cano, McCutcheon, Kimbrel, which is pretty reasonable.
Feb 15 9:19 pm
Feb 16 4:27 am
For hitting, I like using OPS instead of 3B as well. Thanks Chris.
Feb 16 5:56 am
Going back to our League here. I think 3B and SB correlate pretty well, so the team that invests with the speedy players will be "double rewarded". I agree we should have one of them, and eliminate the other... you suggest OPS, which is good...although I prefer OBP, but I can go with either one.
In the pitching stats you suggest above, I think that's a good option...good mix
Feb 16 8:00 am
And there is a really easy option that forces people to not sit people. Dont have a bench. Have a full active roster at all times, this also prevents people from trying to game the system and pick up a bunch of players and hold onto them prior to lineup sets and whatever else.
This is supposed to be a one off league not sure why it looks like it is getting more complicated then simple.
Feb 16 10:08 am
I wouldn't be in favor of having no bench spots. Having some bench spots allows people to make decisions on how many extra hitters to carry versus extra pitchers, how to set their lineups, etc. Also, I've never played a league with no bench spots, but couldn't you still drag your guys onto the bench even if there were no official bench spots?
Feb 16 10:21 am
Making a fun one off league like this too complicated turns people off. We have 20 people in this league and only a handful chiming in here, you make it too complicated with daily add/drops and lineup changes and I guarantee a ton of people are going to lose interest and just tune out.
Feb 16 11:29 am
Feb 16 1:41 pm
Feb 17 7:38 am
It's a hard problem.
At least we can all agree that we would all like everyone to be as engaged as possible.
Mar 6 11:54 am
I don't mean to be a pain but is there any way we could still tweak the stats we are using a bit? I'm mainly concerned with the emphasis on counting stats for pitching - based on this it looks like relievers will be much more valuable than starters in our league. If everyone else is fine with it then I don't mind, just wanted to bring it up again before the draft.
Mar 7 5:38 pm
Mar 8 11:09 am
Hitting: 1B, 2B, HR, BB, SB, OPS
Pitching: QS, K, ERA, WHIP, SV, HD
Mar 9 8:38 am